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Lord Warner responds.....
Started by Phip
Posted: April 21, 2005 at 13:57
I recently wrote to my MP again about MRSA and he forwarded my letter to Lord Warner. Today I have received a response from Lord Warner and thought I would share with you some of his comments:

"Miss Woodhatch mentions the recommendations of the Chief Medical Officer about introducing legislation to tackle Healthcare Associated Infection (HCAIs). I would like to reassure her that my officials are already taking this forward with the Healthcare Commission"

"Miss Woodhatch also raises her concern that MRSA infections are being recorded by hospital staff as wound infections as a convenient way of presenting the facts in a less alarming light. I can assure her that it is mandatory for all hospitals to record all incidents of MRSA infection and to send their data to the independent Health Protection Agency (HPA). This is the basis on which our figures are calculated."

"As Miss Woodhatch is aware, the majority of bacteria transmitted between patients are transferred on the hands of attendants, hence the continued emphasis placed on hand decontamination before patient contact..."

"I would like to assure Miss Woodhatch that Modern Matrons do have an impact. Modern Matrons were introduced to provide strong leadership on wards for nursing staff and be highly visible and accessible to patients. They have been given the power to get the basics right for patients - clean wards, good food and quality care, following the Matrons' Charter that was published in October 2004"

"Where standards are not being met, matrons can recommend ward closures to the Chief Executive of the NHS Trust. However, a decision to close a ward will depend on a local risk assessment which would take into account the impact of not treating patients if a healthcare resource was taken out of commission."

"Miss Woodhatch also talks about reporting by coroners. As many people who contract MRSA can have an exisiting illness, it is often difficult to attribute deaths to MRSA. As MRSA may not be the direct cause of death, it is the clinical decision of the doctor to decide what should be recorded on the certificate. MRSA may contribute to death, but it is unlikely to be the first event in the sequence leading to death."

"Miss Woodhatch mentions an air filtration unit that is currently being trialled in the North Hampshire Hospital. The problem of airborne transmission is associated with specific problems such as the potential for fungal infection on cancer patients and the spread of respiratory viruses. However, as we have already said, the main task in the battle against HCAIs is to tackle hygiene. It is up to individual Trusts to decide whether of not they wish to invest in air filtration systems".

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Lord Warner's letter came with a covering letter from my MP (who is a Tory) who pointed out the Tory plans to clean up hospitals as per the election manifesto and also commented "the fact is that after seven years of 'command and control' in the NHS, this government has totally failed to get to grips with the rising epidemic of hospital-acquired infections. And senior hospital managers have made clear that they have found it harder to take action to deal with the problem because they have to put a whole range of central government performance targets first"




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Re: Lord Warner responds.....
Reply #1 by Bev
Posted: April 21, 2005 at 14:26
Lord warner needs to wake up and smell the coffee the letter to phip was the usual standard blurb which really does’nt wash down well

YES it is now mandatory to report all incidences of MRSA cases to the HPA - BUT only blood stream infected cases get included on the government published figures - surgical site - non reported on Death certificates etc are not included as our roll call list proves

And since the mandatory reporting was brought in - in the Pennine trust alone the very year it was brought in the reported incidences of MRSA doubled !!!!!!!

MODERN MATRON - are not given the overall powers – often have to have whatever decision approved by higher authoritys – therefore they are not affective - we need total power as used to be in the old days for matron to be effective

Lord warner then mentions MRSA & DEATH CERTIFICATES - whilst it is true in a lot of cases that there be other illnesses - MRSA should be listed as one of the factors because it is a FACT that the victim through no fault of their own contracted MRSA and subsequently died

He dismisses air filtration against MRSA he should therefore speak to certain imminent microbiologist and professors and take on board their expertise

seems as usual the government need to keep whitewashing what is really happening but at least phip you got a reply well done !!



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Reply #2 by John
Posted: April 21, 2005 at 17:05
Lord Warner is another idiot who does'nt understand where dust originates in a hospital environment.
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Reply #3 by Derek Butler
Posted: April 21, 2005 at 20:33
Phip,
Congratulations on getting a response from Lord Warner,and i am really pleased to see that you are at least being listened to.I have found Lord Warners response very helpfull for myself,as he has said in his reply to you that,

"I can assure her that it is mandatory for all hospitals to record all incidents of MRSA infection and to send their data to the independent Health Protection Agency (HPA). This is the basis on which our figures are calculated."

This help myself and my mother in our case against the hospital were my Stepfather was,because Lord Warner hassaid that it is Mandatory for all hospitals to record all incidents of MRSA infection and to send their data to the independent Health Protection Agency (HPA).As we were never told that my Stepfather had Profuse Growths of MRSA,and that the hospital knew for those last 7 days of my Stepfathers life,i would like the Health Carecommision to tell me why they could tell the HPA,but not my Stepfathers family.

I do think that they are trying to pull the wool over our eyes when they say "Where standards are not being met, matrons can recommend ward closures to the Chief Executive of the NHS Trust. However, a decision to close a ward will depend on a local risk assessment which would take into account the impact of not treating patients if a healthcare resource was taken out of commission."

The get out clause is RECOMMEND ward closures,who really believes that will actually happen.

But well done Phip,the more that we write letters to them,the sooner they may think that these people are not going to go away.

I will use some of the info in your posting to help me fight my cause for my Stepfather,that is if you do not mind.




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Reply #4 by Phip
Posted: April 22, 2005 at 09:16
Hi Derek,

I don't mind you using any of it - that's why I shared it on the site. Some of what Lord Warner says gives me hope, but I still can't help thinking that all this talking is all very well, but where are the improvements to back it up.

The thing that concerns me about Modern Matrons is that, as one nurse has posted elsewhere on this site, they are so often in meetings as to not be accessible to staff, patients or visitors. This does make you wonder quite how effective they can be. And obviously Lord Warner does say "recommend" rather than INSIST or ORDER and does follow up with the need for risk assessment of the impact on other patients if wards are closed. This surely backs up the requirement for Isolation wards for MRSA and other infections?

It was interesting that Lord Warners opinion on the spread of bacteria states that the "majority" are transferred on the hands of attandants. Isn't this what the majority of us have been saying for so long? And isn't it one of the simplest issues to tackle? And if that is the case why are so many new postings highlighting poor hygiene STILL within our hospitals?

When Lord Warner talks of his officials already taking the issue of legislation forward with the Healthcare Commission does anybody know of any progress with this? I know it was debated in parliament in early March, but has anything actually come out of this? It would be good to hear if anybody knows of how this has progressed - or is this another thing that is just being talked about? As we all know, legislation takes a long time to wend it's path through the Commons and the Lords - and with MRSA time is of the essence; for every day we are without the legislation to FORCE the NHS to tackle this problem another 14 people are dying. And that 14 is based on Government figures, so Lord knows what the true total is.

Whilst I was pleased to finally get a response from Lord Warner himself rather than one of his minions who have previously replied to me, I still can't help feeling disappointed that despite so many of us writing to MP's, raising the profile of MRSA in local and national newspapers, and as with Ruth getting the subject aired on national TV, the Government still doesn't seem to have got past only talking about MRSA. As ever, WE NEED POSITIVE ACTIONS AND NOT JUST WORDS.


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Reply #5 by ann mc donald
Posted: December 17, 2006 at 20:11
Why do managers not want their staff to wear uniforms,they say it's regimental?does it make staff look more professional then them,they dont work with clients with mrsa,there should be a new law for staff to wear protective clothing,the care commision would be shocked at what staff need to work with.
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