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hospital cleanliness
Started by graham
Posted: July 14, 2004 at 12:44
Hospitals around the world (including 3rd world) look after their patient welfare and cleanliness when using the toilet by providing a Paper Toilet Seat Cover Dispenser in each cubicle.
One of the most difficult places to keep permanently clean must be the Toilet Seats. Patient after patient after patient, sitting on the same seats one after the other is probably the most unhygienic act constantly performed every few minutes in hopitals throughout the UK. The toilet seat must also be the easiest place to pick up (and pass on to others) germs, bacteria and super-bugs such as MRSA.
Unfortunately UK Hospitals do not provide their patients or their staff with this simple toilet protection, so extremely effective in the struggle to stop the transfer of BUGS from one patient to another and from one ward to ward.
YET, without any major capital expenditure, Paper Toilet Seat Covers and Dispensers from just 3p per day are easily available here in the UK. So if you are 'In the Know', who can whisper in the correct persons ear at the NHS or at any Hospital... make sure that person at least asks for information by E-mailing (covers@whiteindustries.f9.co.uk)
Wouldn't it be nice to read some good NHS news, that hospitals are positively taking action to curb the internal spread of BUGS and BACTERIA from patient to patient by the simple provision of Paper Toilet Seat Covers, just like other hospitals and public buildings around the world have been doing for years.
LET US ALL HELP, if you're 'In the Know' then get whispering (or shouting) and see if we can at least provide one important step in the fight to stop HOSPITAL BUGS spreading so easily.
If you're not already 'In the Know' but want to help.
Find out who that important ear belongs to at your local hospital and see if you can enlist the aid of others who work at the hospital, their welfare needs protection just as much as their patients. Everyone needs to be aware that sitting 'with your skin' on that seat after somebody else is not a good idea, especially in our hospitals.
PAPER TOILET SEAT COVERS will not kill the BUGS, they will help fight the main problem of patient contamination and the movement of BUGS, please help spread the word if you can.
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Reply #1 by Carole
Posted: July 15, 2004 at 23:16
hi Graham......i can see what you mean about toilet hygiene but if you read my posting MRSA took my dad......you will see that he picked up the bug in theatre and then was put on a neglectful and dirty ward. This problem really does need top be sorted. Until i came to this forum i felt i was alone
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Reply #2 by ANNE GILES
Posted: July 17, 2004 at 15:54
I disagree that it is the worst place to catch germs. Nobody touches the seat with their private parts - only with the skin of their buttocks, which is cleaner than their hands. One is more likely to catch infection from holding on to the handle of a bus seat or train seat, which people have touched with their hands, after touching their germ ridden eyes and noses, especially when they have colds or flu. I have sat on lavatory seats since I was a baby and am now 62. Get real!
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Reply #3 by harrylyme
Posted: July 22, 2004 at 17:22
the original writer was discussing hospital patients (suffering from whatever) and then Anne replies the toilet is less of a problem than a handle in a bus - well you are wrong ma'am - in-patients are by definition unlikely to travel by bus and they are likely to be treated to drugs having a lowering of resistance (generally).
The MRSA issue is not about healthy people, it's about those who are already at a low ebb.
Incidently eyes are unlikely to be germ-ridden (for healthy people on a bus) since tears are very strong germ-eliminators - that is their function - consider the number of germs that waft into our eyes yet for years (62 in your case) they eye remains healthy.
I trust you continue in good health, but the point the original writer was attempting is still there for someone to comment on. Do you offer any advice on the MRSA problem? IMHO it is practically everthing, but mostly it involves us changing our habits both out and (especially) in hospital.
A strict avoidance of anti-biotics would also help for when they are needed, the trouble is we all expect to be made better in a couple of weeks.
For healthy people the toilet seat is probably not life-threatening, but some are unpleasant and ill patients are much more likely to soil their surroundings. To avoid additional labour-costs toilets should be self-cleaning, like the street super-loos. A campaign to use paper-covers is well meant and should provide some additional measure of protection at low cost without resorting to rebuilding the toilet block. Patients could provide their own if only they were easily sourced - this needs to be tackled and would cost the Government nothing.
There are other answers to this "surface contamination" but as I have a financial interest in them I don't feel free to promote commercial products.
Good health to All.
Regards
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Reply #4 by Patricia Davidson
Posted: July 22, 2004 at 20:49
I have MRSA, I have had it for 7 years and I watch what happens in hospital every time I have been addmited, 14 inpatient addmissions so far and need more surgery.
It is not just the toilets, It is drainage stands that are passed from patient to patient without being cleaned,these have nearly always had spillage on them.
Catheter stands, drip stands, baths are not cleaned after we use then.
Hospitals are not allowed to leave cleaning fluids in the bathrooms for health and saftey reasons, what rubbish is that.
How do you clean the shower or bath after you use it in hospital think about that.
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Reply #5 by GLORIA
Posted: October 16, 2004 at 21:40
Dear Patricia, You take your own antibacterial spray in with you, such as Dettol. For about 1.30 you can have some peace of mind. My mother is very very ill in hospital, and so we have taken in a large bottle of alcohol gel, written her name on it, and placed it on her bedside locker. She also has a doll on her locker holding a banner which says "Have you washed your hands?". If it makes one nurse or doctor think twice, it's worth it. Tonight I have been taking photos of a new mattress which has been unwrapped and left on the floor in a public corridor for several days in this hospital. And I have decided to photograph other examples of unhygienic practices in the same hospital to present to them. Why should we have to put up with these lowered standards?
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Reply #6 by Patricia davidson
Posted: October 17, 2004 at 12:15
Thank you Gloria but I do .
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Reply #7 by GLORIA
Posted: October 20, 2004 at 22:05
Dear Patricia, I'm glad to hear it. And I DO sincerely hope that your forthcoming operation is a success.

I am at the moment in the process of setting up a meeting with the local PCT, to discuss my catching MRSA in one of their filthy hospitals. My District Nurse has already told me that she had a meeting with them about her son contracting MRSA in both lungs - she said they blatantly lied, lost his notes, and refused to admit any liability, so she walked out of the meeting. They suddenly 'found' his notes again once she had a court order for them to be given to her. I am not looking forward to the meeting, as now I know what to expect. Over the last couple of weeks, as I said in another posting, I have been taking photos of the mattresses left lying in public corridors, rubbish left in halls, etc., and fully intend to take these photos to the meeting. Sadly my mother died on Monday, but at least by the diligence of myself, husband, and family, she did not contract MRSA while she was in there, she died of bowel cancer. We had to fight tooth and nail for the doctors and nurses not to touch her unless they were wearing gloves, but of course we don't know what went on when we weren't there. They were extremely kind to my mum, and very caring, they just had no idea of hygiene, which is why so many of us have contracted MRSA. If things fell onto the floor, they just picked them up and put them onto the patient's lockers, and so on, without wiping them with alcohol gel, and they were always trying to give my mum injections without putting gloves on first. Unbelievable with all the publicity there is nowadays about MRSA. I asked for rails to be put onto my mum's bed so that she wouldn't fall out, as she became very frail, and they said fine and brought them straightaway. The rails were grubby, but they didn't even take any notice of this. It was kind of them to bring the rails as soon as we asked for them, but it didn't enter the nurse's head to wipe them with some alcohol gel before fixing them onto the bed. My grandson did this anyway, but the idea just isn't in the staff's heads to use this basic hygiene. HOW are we going to change the way they do things unless we stick together and fight the NHS all the way. I've just read in the papers that porters are to be given antiseptic wipes to wipe over their wheelchairs and trollies in between each patient. Just think of the germs that must be on each one, transferred from patient to patient each time they're used - ugh! They should have been cleaning them in this way for years, but of course they don't. And how many will actually do it now?
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Reply #8 by Al
Posted: October 21, 2004 at 11:11
I have been interested to read about hospital cleanliness and the focus of the press & Government on this. My concern is that there is a vast difference between clean and microbiologically clean.

In May this year the Journal of Hospital Infection published a joint Kings College London / St. Thomas' /research paper which said, in essence, that
(i) high levels of (environmental) methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) were present in the hospital; (ii) cleaning was poorly effective;
and (iii) they had investigated a technology that was dramatically effective

it is clear cleany is not enough to get rid of these bugs from hospitals.
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Reply #9 by Ruth Wollacott
Posted: October 21, 2004 at 15:25
It would be a start. And your point that visibly clean is not the same as microbiologically clean is something which appears to have been overlooked in the current advice to patients - to notify staff and insist on obvious dirt being cleaned away. Obvious dirt is only the tip of a very large iceberg.
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Reply #10 by Al
Posted: October 21, 2004 at 15:44
Ruth,

I fear as you do it is the tip of the Iceburg I looked up Professor French's paper in the JHI I described earlier and it makes stark reading:
74% environmental Swabs positive for MRSA before cleaning
66% environmental Swabs positive for MRSA after cleaning

The good news was that they then used another process that reduced it to only 1%.

It seems that even visibly clean will not deal with these problems.
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Reply #11 by UNKNOWN
Posted: February 22, 2005 at 20:55
Paper toilet seat covers are available in the UK from Cleanseat UK who can be contaced by visiting www.cleanseatuk.com or calling 0870 881 0581.
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Reply #12 by Martine Parker
Posted: February 23, 2005 at 16:54
Hi, if you want to supply into the NHS then you should be supporting the Infection Control Nurses Association Conference, senior procurement personnel will be at the event as well as politicians - surely this is the kind of platform you want?!?!?!?!

You may ring me on 0161 301 6857.
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Reply #13 by Michelle H. RN
Posted: August 3, 2005 at 01:29
Well I'm here to say that I did indeed contract mrsa from a toilet seat at the hospital where I work. A few weeks ago, a co-worker complained to another worker of a large abcess on his butt. He went to the doctor,had it lanced and cultured. Turns out it was mrsa. He did not report this, came to work and carried on as business as usual.
Two weeks ago I began to feel a little off. A slight temp, an achey feeling and then this huge boil grew rapidly, almost overnight. It was very red and painful.
So I go to the doctor and tell her about the boil and the guy at work who I had heard through the grapevine had resistant staph. She poo-poo'ed this saying mrsa is something that the sick and infirm acquire. She drained it and put my on keflex after obtaining culture.
Well she calls last night and YES it is mrsa. I am off work until culture comes back clear. I am not sick, I am a strong woman of 50 who goes to the gym 4 days a week and I am on herbs and supplements including garlic.
This is a dangerous infection and even healthy people can get it. Never sit on a strange toilet!
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Reply #14 by steven bradley
Posted: March 21, 2007 at 22:54
We are the largest supplier of toilet seat covers in the uk for commercial use , the are alot of critics about these covers , but put some food die into the bowl and put cling film over the seat and flush and you will see the particles of water from the bottom the toilet raise up and spread bacteria to the seat , and also it is a solution from spread of bacteria and cross infection , www.shsuk.com .
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Reply #15 by linda mccafferty
Posted: March 22, 2007
please dont remind me steven what happens when you flush , it gives me the heeby geeby's lol.
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Reply #16 by Steven Bradley
Posted: March 22, 2007 at 19:21
Also women who hover are advised that your bladder does not relax correctly , leading to urine being left behind in the bladder , lets see Cystitis and Uti's come to mind and painful iam sure .
How about a dispenser in your office toilet , there are free trials on www.shsuk.com only 06.90 for dispenser and cassette of 250 sheets , if it does not work out throw it away , dont let males management over look it !!!
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Reply #17 by linda mccafferty
Posted: March 22, 2007 at 21:29
steven ........your sales patter is good i'll give you that (women who hover )lol lol lol
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